Finland became independent a hundred years ago. To celebrate the anniversary year there have been many stories in Finnish media glorifying our country and saying how Finland is ”the best country to live in”.
But there are things Finns aren’t so proud to talk about. If you look at our history, there are grim and shameful times and events throughout the past hundred years.
The use of narcotic substances was common during the war. Some of the soldiers coming back from the battlefront were highly addicted to methamphetamine, morphine and heroin.
In 1918, only a couple of months after becoming independent, Finland was amid one of the bloodiest civil wars in modern history relative to its population. The failed revolution of the left-wing Red Guards ended up killing almost one percent of the population.
Most of the casualties came not from the battles but from executions after the battles or from famine and diseases in prison camps established by the White Guards after the war.
Next few decades were the times of white terror. Fascistic movement Lapuan liike kidnapped leftist activists and drove them to the border of the Soviet Union. The Social Democratic Party was also left out of the national decision making even though it was the largest party in the Parliament during these decades.
When the Second World War broke in 1939, the torn nation came together to defend against the attack of the Soviet Union. World War became eventually another stain in Finnish history as Finland fought the end of the war side by side with Nazi Germany.
The use of narcotic substances was common during the war. Some of the soldiers coming back from the battlefront were highly addicted to methamphetamine, morphine and heroin.
After the lost war, the influence of the Soviet Union in Finnish domestic policies started growing. During this time of ”finlandization” the Soviet Union dictated the suitable politicians and ruling parties. This lasted almost to the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
In 1990s, after a long period of economic growth, Finland underwent a devastating economic depression. The unemployment rate rose to new heights and hasn’t returned to the numbers before the depression. Today nearly half of the unemployed people have been without a job for over a year. There is a great risk for them to be excluded from most social networks.
Today Finland is one of the top countries by many international standards: most stable, freest, safest, best governance, least organized crime, best primary education, most literate, lowest maternal mortality.
When the state of the country is painted so rosy, it shifts focus away from the least fortunate and their problems. Professor of Social and health policy, Juho Saari from the University of Tampere, who has specialized in the research of welfare and loneliness, thinks that defining risk groups has gotten harder than before.
”It has been easy to define a sick or an unemployed person as a member of a clear risk group. Now there are more people with problems that are harder to identify. This is challenging for social security systems because of their need to identify a certain risk or reason to function properly”, says Saari.
Another challenge comes from the wealthy but unequal society we live in. Saari mentions loneliness as one of the root causes for many of the problems.
”Mostly people think of loneliness as a personal thing or common to a certain type of people, but in reality it is strongly connected to social status.”
In most European countries people turn to their families for support, but in Finland the support comes more often from friends.
”This means that the supportive social relationships are more and more the product of negotiation. There is a risk, that people can be left out of these relationships. It leads to a rising number of transparent people. Nobody seems to notice them. They are left out of social relationships and opportunities.”
Saari estimates that the paradox of Finnish welfare society isn’t the cumulation of disadvantages for certain people, but that some people can’t get onboard of the advancement like most of the Finns.
”When you are in a common Finnish path of rising prosperity, there are no limits to what you can achieve. The situation for the people who have had difficulties in life, is not getting worse than before, but the gap between them and the general population grows larger.”
When the state of the country is painted so rosy, it shifts focus away from the least fortunate and their problems.
Hopeless situations lead to many of the more visible problems in Finland. For example, Finland has one of the highest suicide rates in Europe. The amount of suicides has been decreasing for 25 years, but in 2015 the suicide rate was still the 8th highest in the European Union.
Another problem for Finland has been alcohol consumption. Finnish drinking culture is heavily centered on getting intoxicated as fast as possible. Also, nearly half of the alcohol is consumed by 10 percent of the total population.
And in many cases alcohol consumption leads to violence. Most homicides, rapes and assaults are targeted at the perpetrators’ family members or friends. Large number of them are done under the influence of alcohol.
In 2014 a study by the EU’s Fundamental Rights Agency showed that Finland was the second most violent country in the EU for women to live in. In 2015 Amnesty International criticized Finland for not providing sufficient support for women who have been victims of violence.
There are also long-term societal matters with conscription army and gender reassignment. All Finnish males must undergo a military or civil service.
UN Human Rights Committee and Amnesty International have repeatedly condemned the imprisonment of conscientious objectors who refuse to serve in military or civil service. The exemption of women is also a gender inequality problem.
The treatment of transgender people has raised some questions. For example, if you want to change your legal gender, you must undergo a sterilization procedure.
Finland is a great country for most people. It’s still far from perfect.
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Andrew
Mmmm, a qualification suggestion for the last sentence
...Finland is a great country for most working people, and others whose income is way ABOVE the poverty level! It is VERY far from perfect!...... for myself, a single pensioner 76, who speaks no Finnish, and has insufficient money to even get to visit a doctor or nurse, and saves up to have an occasional hamburger, etc....
There seems to be no accountability or integrity evident anywhere. Nobody gives a damn! Nothing works as it is supposed to. "Good enough" is just not really very good at all.
I hope my teenage daughters are sensible enough to plan their future elsewhere where housing is affordable and where healthcare is free, at least for poverty stricken pensioners, who are unable or unwilling to go to beg for bread. Hmmm, enough said.
27.2.2018
Jose
This place sucks no matter which metrics you use to measure happiness. I have been living here for 10 years and I am leaving for good. Best thing I have done here is not having kids.
20.4.2018
Mari
Finland is not a good country to live. I too lived here for 10 years (like Jose) and I have suffered the consequences (discrimination at work, poverty due to unemployment and so on) but I'm finally moving out. What's sad is how foreigners must feel when they read about how great Finland is in the news. All my foreign friends are being discriminated against.
Oh, Finns are also very racist people. A Finn told me this (they 're not ashamed to admit)
28.9.2018
BH
Finland is over rated in media in terms of happiness. It's a miserable place for most of the foreigners. You'll have everything here except mental happiness. And I guess, that is the main reason why many want to leave this holy country!
10.11.2018
Roussos
Thank you for this enlightening article. But, we're all welcome to the real world, where real people live in real places and people make mistakes. Nothing new. We're discussing new standards of living in an old established world. We all have a history behind us. And we all have experiences in our lives. And advertising Finland to be such a good place to live in, it's like advertising a cruise in the Caribbean, some people might love it whereas others might not like it after all, being on a boat for days and days. Nothing new.
10.12.2018
John Doe Jr.
Yeah, do everything you can to not end up living in Finland!
This country is no happy country at all,
them dummies vote like that because they have a Napoleon complex and don't want others to know the truth,
these folks actually suffer mentally here.
It is also a very boring country,
very little atmosphere to speak of ,
I'd say not so bad atmosphere but the lack of it entirely.
The kind of country that may feel ok at first but the longer you linger around,
the worse it gets!
Yeah, take it from me, I really do know what I'm talking about and I have no reason to lie to any of you out there.
4.3.2019
Kekkonen
I fully agree with the article and with most of the statements above me in the comments. I have been here for almost 4 years and loneliness creeped in really fast. It is very hard to connect with people, very hard to tell if they want you to be around, very hard to understand how they brag about not having to do "small talk" because according to them it's banal and superficial, but then when they small talk it's all about the weather? They never communicate with each other and let their inner demons and worries only come out when they are drunk, oh, then they are everything they wish they were in their sober lives, clearly. Stop lying to yourselves, Finns. I know a lot of you and 90% are clinically depressed, go to see a therapist periodically and can't stand any small setbacks in life without letting a huge and loud VITTU, getting stressed and making it seem like the world is gonna end. This is the consequence of such an easy life in a country where everything is just WAY too easy!
26.3.2019
Fuckit
I can only agree.
Although a beautiful country to visit in Summer, "the Happiest country in the World" is only a branding trick with a questionable methodology.
I have been to many places in the World, including some of the last dictatorship. I am fully aware that no places are perfect and Finland does better than many on some aspects.
Been living over 10 years here, move voluntarily, never been unemployed, salary way above average... But I am a foreigner. EU citizen, but a foreigner.
I have been victim of discrimation multiples time, violent ones and more perverse, silent ones.
I have seen the inexistent empathy from finns, from friends but most worrying from professionals.
I have seen dozens of finnish friends cheating their wife, a national sport, cover by the alcohol excuse.
I have seen most of my acquaintances divorcing.
I see everyday the queue at alko at 9am, the queue at the slot machines available everywhere, shoplifters desperate for a beer, junkies, etc..
I have experienced the finnish "drunk tank", being put for wrong reasons. Reason being a foreigner. A finn in similar situation would have been driven to next taxi stop. Longest 12 hours of my life in a shithole which doesnt respect even human rights.
That was the last straw. I used to love and respect Finland but I hate it, profoundly.
12.4.2019
Jussi
Sad to say these writings..but mostly true! Living here with my foreigner wife,i have started to feel foreigner even myself,as a finn!And even some finns actually are so jealous and envy about us,even we are not so called better income people.What actuallu pisses me off certain people who don,t give a shit about anything or no moral at all and respect for elder people!Really pisses me off!!!No working intrest communist fucked up system for 100 years!I have spoken.
15.4.2019
A
Im 25 years old and I have been here now 4 years. And what I can say is that this country is really good to maybe study or make good money, but... NOT FOR LIVING!
My biggest problems here is the people and winter. The winter should be okey if you are with nice people but theres no nice people.... Most of them are always with angry face and thinking that they are better than you, cuz they have money... What I learned here is that I dont give a fuck about money if im not happy. I had a good salary here, good work... Everything should be okey, but no... I just cant with the people here, and its hard to explain how stupid they can be (Not all of them but 80% yes)
I hope i can go far away from this country...
But any way, if you want to make good money, or study something, then its nice place for 2-3 years, but after that get out of here.
Its only my opinion.
6.7.2019
Gabi
I live in Finland even if im half finnish only. The problem with Finland is that everyone pretends to be happy, but they really ain’t. And people drink alcohol witch had obviously a negative effect but real unspoken problem is adult entertament. It’s one of the few reasons why people do suicide in Finland. You might think that adult entertament is something good but it actually has the same side effects that drugs, alcohol and smoking has. In the future everyone will know how harmful adult entertament is.
If actually don’t believe me go to uoutube watch: why adult entertament is dangerous. And people should rather jerk than watch adult entertament. It DESTROYS lives and wastes huge amoant of time.
18.7.2019
Nicky
Well after many years here i am done with this country, racism, ignorance, drunks, haters, problematic finnish neighbors, i had to call the police and make complaints hundreds of times because they do noises, after 22:00.. Still they are wild like animals with no education and respect.. Something is wrong with this people.. They are not normal at all they have a lot of mental problems
20.10.2019
Jonatan
I'm ethnically finnish. Born in Finland but raised elsewhere, I returned to Finland in 2019, mostly due to my parents decision. Honestly, compared to the other places I've lived, it is honestly the most depressing shithole that exists on planet earth. Don't go to Finland, there's nothing worth seeing there.
10.12.2019
Rosy
I was born in Finland and moved away when i was 19 because it is no place to live if youre a female. A lot of creeps, pedophiles and violent psychopaths around, and women get blamed for the abuse. It is sickening how rosy the country is portraited in the media for foreigners...
22.12.2019
Edward
I was born and still live in the Helsinki region, but my native language is Swedish. I don’t feel like I fit in, I understand Finnish but can barely speak it.
I don’t feel like I have a future in Finland. I can handle the cold weather and the darkness, and I’m still in school so I have friends and family around. But when I finish school and have to find a job, I don’t think I can survive on Swedish and English.
But I refuse to give in and just accept that I would live in Finland for the rest of my life. Actually learning Finnish would help me but it feels like taking a step back in life.
One of the most unfair realities is that just because I am male, I have to go to the military or civil service. It feels terrible that no one seems to care about this sexism in our society.
My biggest dream is to live in the USA. I’m still young, and I think I have a pretty good shot. Wish me luck.
12.1.2020
Vittulainen
Agreed ! Helsinki is truly Hell !
12 years in helsinki, Asian, male, with my Finnish wife, from what I have observed, Finns are rather jealousy and narrow minded, they just couldn’t stand the fact that the “ outsiders” living a better life than the locals. If you want to be friends with Finns, just act pessimistic and poor. Finland is not the happiest country in the world, I was shocked when I read that news about it, shouldn’t it be exactly the opposite : saddest country in the world? Racism is very common in Finland, but not often seen with violent, cause they are soft, feel free to provoke at ur wish. I would say 90% of the Finns are racist, the rest 10% are mostly well educated and wealthy ppl who knows what’s up, they know what’s happening outside of Finland, they know how less developed Finland is in many aspects, unlike the other proudly Finns who learns everything from the media. Honestly, Finland literally has nothing to be proud of, they even fucked up Nokia. They claim themselves to be Scandinavians, but I guess Sweden, Norway and Denmark be just like : “ ok ....... if u say so ...... “ last but not least, don’t even come to visit this country, its boring, and there is not to see in here. All of us foreigners, work ur ass off and let’s move to California, we can make it ! This country is hopeless
8.2.2020
Flavio
I agree with the "saddest country in the world".
11.2.2020
suomalainen
I can definitely agree that "Finland is the happiest country in the world" is more about the society giving good possibilities for one becoming happy. However, I find all the negativity in comments here little bit unfair. I have foreign wife and I have been living almost 20 years in less developed countries. Many my fellow expats were complaining about those countries how people are not nice and trustworthy and how their culture and behaviour sucks. Me? I loved those places and specially the people. To me most or those people complaining were not willing to even try to adapt or try to understand the people and culture but rather expecting them to change "But in my country, we do like this" forgetting that if people really want to know how things are done in your country, they will ask (and they will if you show some respect for them first) rather than teaching them how to do, think, eat. My wife really loves Finland and people here, as do most of my foreign friends. And one common thing to all of them is that they are all very heartfelt, friendly and open-minded positive people. Those foreign friends who are not so happy here tend to be more self centered and negative characters. Nothing wrong with that, people are different. Definitely for certain kind of people society like USA where lot of people's "friendliness" is just shallow, meaningless "I am friendly just because this is what my society expects from me" . That's also ok, I totally understand that its nicer if strangers are friendlier to you rather than unfriendly. If I go to bar alone, I am happy to have a shallow chat with a stranger. I don't need more lifetime friendships.
My point is that many times if you want to adjust to a new society, just try respect and understand and you will get respect and understanding. However, at the end the truth is that not all the people can enjoy living in every society.
21.2.2020
Non-biomass
It's indeed the hardest part to see foreigners struggle with the same problems than natives. That literally stops my blood from flowing when it hits. But it's all reality. Foreigners face the same issues because they are real. They find the same things: 1) That Finland is not a western country or have western quality of life 2) All countries in the world despise Finns for a very good reason 3) You can't lead a normal life.
Let's speak about the latter. In other western countries, your salary will be bigger - and you'll have a job, to begin with. That's something that is not happening here. Never. You are forced to spend your life in poverty, to throw it completely away. Now, here comes another big issue. As a person who has spent his whole adulthood suffering from the results of alcoholism in form of nightmare neighbors, I'm not sparing my words here. Here's the bomb. 40% of Finns are degenerate human waste. That's the percent you'll notice on streets if you keep your eyes open. Pitiful scumbags, soulless biomass. I feel nothing for them and wish only bad for them, as they are not only problem for themselves, but to neighbors too - and for the whole nation (health issues, destroyed properties and apartments, graffities and all that telling of very high iQ). Because of them (50%) and the most corrupted government on earth (50%), at the age of 30, I can only bitterly cry for life I missed - as a native, if that's not clear enough. How did Germans live? Swedes? What did they achieve? How much did they travel and just lead a good life? Meanwhile-scenarios fill my mind every moment. Unfortunately, I know the answers... That's usurping 70% of my mental functionality and draining all my physical force - extreme misery. My awareness of such a big loss I have to try comprehend piece by piece. To sum things up shortly - believe me, this subject is enough for a very thick book, I'll say only this:
"All good things that life could give you, are taken from you if you live in Finland."
I hope that some day I'm away - for good. But it's already too late in my case. The thing is, you don't just leave like that, like Hungarians to Germany, for example. This is the land of upside downs. Don't expect anything to go normally because nothing is normal.
Let me tell you something highly important, you'll not hear it from anyone else soon: Finland is Finlab. The biggest human experiment in the world. Just look at Finns. Compare with any nationality. See it? Definitely not normal. Guys bald at age 17 and womans turn grannies at age 25, both sexes being mentally very slow, sleepy, simple and autistic (genes that are close to viability). Oh, and that extremely arrogant-angry look of all womans, young especially. When I'm abroad, people come, speak and smile - hasn't happened during my whole lifetime in Finland. So, it's very lonely and sad, indeed, just like the comments reveal.
And as if it wasn't enough - imagine yourself alone, poor, listening degenerative's mumble behind every floor and door, getting unbearable for three days in a week when you should be able to relax and sleep - add the climate. Norway and Sweden have summers that are 2-3 months longer and other seasons are much more tolerable - no snow or frost. Not to speak about any other type of climate.
I have seen and heard thousands of foreigner stories from Finland. Majority of those people were lucky enough to leave, having dealt with the issues we brought. Some of them were forced to stay due to some reason. And oh do they hate their lives. Here's a top secret. There have been a marketing campaign for Finland for a few years now. To attract poor foreigners into our "paradise". I'm not completely sure why, but here's some raw data. Out of 5 million, there's only 1,5 million working people. What are the others doing...? Told you! Remember that 40%? Yes, there's your hard reality. In other words, the government wants cheap workforce to care of 40% human waste part, incapable of taking care of themselves - and more importantly, boost the human experiment into new heights for Finns (total destruction of life quality, mass devastation with poverty and socialism).
And please remember our Finnswedes, the Swedish speaking residents of Finland. The areas densely populated by them have always very high level of employment etc (what does that tell?! - I mean, open your damn eyes!). Every Finnswede you'll ever hear will still say that leaving the country would be the best idea ever. To ignore this Finnswede proof... is to be literally blind or stupid beyond comprehension! Every single creature on earth despise and hate Finns, myself included as a native Finn! And it's not for nothing - now you know why. So. Be warned. Please consider ANY other nation and you'll be fine. Any other nation will definitely give you a good life. Thanks for listening. Spread the word. That's my form of revenge. Can't do else.
23.2.2020
Cherry
I wanna leave ;_; I live here since August 2017, I am just here because I have to. But when I have the chance to get out of here, I will do. I hate this country and their people are, most of them, very rude, not understanding, racist, the list would go longer. I have heard many times the sentence "You don't have to be alone in Finland, if you need something, contact me", funny thing is, when you contact those people, you don't get anything back, they don't answer, or if they do, it's very shallow. Finnish people are so often drunk and so loud, it makes me sick.
2.3.2020
A sufferer in Finland
I came here to vent. I have been here since 6 years. I am stuck cuz i am married to a finn who never wants to wake up from this dream. Finland is horrible in every way. Everything is so overrated: the medical field, the life quality, the happiness, the openminded loving finns.... all are the opposite. My daughter is autistic and they said we need to fight to get her help. Like GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!
2.3.2020
suomalainen
Interesting comments from Cherry and A sufferer from Finland. I would like to ask you guys questions.
Cherry:
Are you unhappy because of Finland or because you "have to be here"? I personally respect my personal freedom so much, that I would definitely be unhappy anywhere where "I HAVE to be".
A sufferer in Finland:
Are you unhappy because of Finland or because of your seemingly unhappy marriage where you share totally different dreams with your spouse?
15.3.2020
Cherry
@suomalainen:
Both. You can have personal freedom in another country too. That's not too hard to archieve. I am originally from Austria, live was better there. I feel like I suffer every day here. It's not my country, not my language, not my culture. I'm already also scared of the summer, since I'm still not used that the sun is always shining and the weather is so bad here. My ex also makes my life hell. I just want to leave from here. I don't get it why people say that Finland is great and they want to move here. If someone wants to talk, my adress is mirjam.mayer@hotmail.com
30.3.2020
Asia-FIN-CA
I see my Finnish experience in the light of how it compares to the living experiences I have had in other places.
I was born in a 3rd world Asian country and moved to Finland in 2004 as a teenager to get higher education. I completed my Bachelor's and Master's degrees here. I also met a Finnish woman, whom I married and had kids. I also did very well professionally - setup multiple startup companies, made exits and made good amount of money too. Economically, the lifestyle I have had since 2010-2018 in Finland, was probably in the top 0.1% of the entire Finnish population. And then due to one of the startups, I moved to California in 2018 together with my Finnish wife and the kids. Here is how compare: Finland is an okay country. It is just okay. Everything is okay. You are okay here. I would say it's okay for everyone, even for Finns. But the life in California is full of more life. Your days are never boring there. I suppose it's the institutional setup in Finland- it is designed for everyone to be okay. Finland is very boring - multiple factors: the weather (only 10 weekends in a year you can do something here with your family unless you are big into winter sports vs California maybe 6-8 weekends in a year you can not do much because of bad weather), the Finnish people and their culture (they don't know how to have fun). Finland is obviously a far better place than the Asian country where I was born on multiple levels -less racism and better infrastructure (healthcare and education). But compared to California, Finns can be very racist. 80% are subtle racist and bottom 20% are violet racist. Top 20% are tolerant and liberal people. Finnish companies would hire foreigners only for employee positions, getting management jobs in this country is impossible. Finnish people want foreigners to integrate to exactly the way they wrun their societies unlike in other countries (USA, Canada, UK etc) you can be you - bring your own culture and learn the local ways too. In America, you can be Irish and American at the same time. One identity doesn't take away anything away from the other. Finnish people look at you in negative way if you don't do it or behave their way. Finnish people put all the foreigners in the same basket and majority of the population (80%) - when they see a different skin-colored person, they quickly judge them that this foreigner left their home country because they didn't have food, shelter and they have come to find a new life here. Darker skinned people are inherently bad. They do bad things in the society. This is all coming from my experience of living in Finland for 14 years. When they see my name in emails or see my skin color, I see that there is some trust gap. But when they learn more about me - who I am - they do change their mind. I can go on and on with my experiences.
In summary - Finnish people are okay people. They have an okay country. Do move to Finland, if you are looking for an okay life. Maybe for you okay means happy. It was for me too until I discovered a better place in California.
30.3.2020
Arttu
The things you people are saying are pretty much the same thing in many countries. I've been in America, United Kingdom and other countries and i see no difference. The people who are talking trash about our country just don't know how to live a proper life.
15.4.2020
suomalainen
@Cherry
Of course personal freedom can be anywhere. What I meant was that I don't think I would be happy even in heaven if I HAD TO be there and didn't have any other options.
16.4.2020
Person
It's Not a place to live at all. It has problems even I couldn't conceive of even in my wildest dreams and my jaw dropped at the extreme level of verbal abuse handed out by less than adequately intelligent people. Intelligence, compassion and sense do not fit into my experience here. I'm a norther european by birth and am astounded at how this place as not been wiped of the map by a foreign invader.
Privacy and politeness are not available here.
The mentality is 18th century and then some.
Verbal harrasment daily regardless of what you say and how it is said. It is a miserable place to live, the worst I've ever lived in. Totally anarchic and devoid of any self control, policing of any sense or sense in general and that is a real perspective, insight and experience. It is Not worth moving to under no circumstances I'm leaving as soon as I can thankfully I didn't invest in property here the people are crazy and you will end up either brainwashed or senseless either way definitely not the place for you unless you are extremely narrow minded and of a single point of view regardless of logic and have extreme zenaphobic tendancies and do not value your privacy.
2.5.2020
Person
I can't tell you half the things are said and done here in Finland but I can't wait to finally leave it f o r e v e r!
I should have stayed where I was.
5.5.2020
L
Most of these comments make me laugh. I atleast have lived a happy and fulfilling life in Finland. Yes, the country is very boring, and yes, the people here are not as talkative than in your homecountries, so what? And about 14% of Finns here are racist which is probably the worst part about Finland. But I was born to an average, good family, I have extremely nice friends and I’ve learned to appreciate small things from a young age. No, you are not going to get rich in Finland, if that is what your biggest thing to achieve in life is. And there are still many things to appreciate in Finland, such as our free healthcare, free education, nature and Lapland. In summary, Finland is a very average country, like someone has already said, and it doesn’t always fulfill foreigners’ expectations of it because it is indeed, very average. And also, the ’Finnish Dream’ is drastically different from the ’American Dream’, the other is about having an average, but content life, and other one is about making a lot of money, and being succesful (That’s what I assume, I actually don’t know). But me, like many Finns, are still very happy to be born in Finland. And if you personally think that you would have a better life in the USA, go for it! :)
10.5.2020
Sivallus
L, you don't see it - not suprising you are born in Finland. Let me go through your ridiculous points.
I hope my writing isn't removed, it's not hate speech, but painfully truthful, what makes it seem so.
1) Just a bit boring, right? In reality, all the good things life could offer you... will be removed from your life.
2) People. Having lived in total misery, caused by neighbors, for 10 years... (any city and area, been like living above a bar, yelling and retarded mumbling from representatives of retarded nation), I know what kind of people Finns are. Extremely stupid and simple. You have grown blind to the picture you see outside your moldy apartment. Normal people are hard to spot. Only alcoholists, drug users and lower class people. People looking for bottles and cans etc. Only the lowest scum there is - at least 70% of people. It's not just that they are racist, but again: extremely simple, primitive, vulgar (speaking of being vulgar, how about every other word being "vittu" in speech of 99%) and stupid. The lowest trash race on Earth.
3) Myths: healthcare (FFS, just WHY do Finns keep repeating this s*it?) and nature. Let's start with healthcare. How can you know what good healthcare is because as a Finnish person, you don't understand what health is, to start with? Do you know how it is in every other country of Europe? No, you wouldn't make that claim if you knew. How about nature? Should be "nature". Man-made thickets (puupelto-trees planted to a field) is not nature. 99% of Finnish "nature" is like that.
4) About not getting rich... well, as this is far more expensive than Norway and Switzerland (I ask you: have you LIVED in those places?), you'll be the poorest citizen of whole Europe. Salaries are a fraction what they are in the beforementioned places, and they have less taxes. You don't even know how life should be like - NO holding of breath due to poverty! Can't buy that or that! Oldest cars in Europe and every country brings their defective products here because poor Finns can't afford normal things! This will naturally take me to the last point...
5) Enjoying of small things. Yes, whatever forms of self-deception you want to believe. Have you ever thought that why did your parents made you think like that? Is it because here's no summer at all (for example, Iceland's annual average temperature is higher), no normal or sane people, no nature, no mountains, no hot springs, no good food (organic and fresh UNHEARD of, as only country in the world) no absolutely NOTHING.... Do you realize that this is why you think like that? Still want to keep your "happy" bubble? Like many have said, it's the saddest nation on earth, not happiest, and that is true indeed.
Lastly, Finns like to suggest moving elsewhere, for people like me. I mean, how the f*** is that going to realize? This place destroys your future and life. See, all poor nations have big communities in America (they get Green card very easily) and Central Europe, it's nothing for them to move. But how is it for a Finn? This place is intentionally isolated, and is geographically isolated, so no, you are not getting anywhere. If you are born in Nordics or Benelux area, you could change your country anytime you wish, no problem! The same doesn't apply for a Finn, in the land of opposites. I could list even thousands of things that couldn't be found elsewhere, this being one of them. One more time: there is no change for a Finn to move - only if you are Swedish Finn.
24.5.2020
Romeo
I always thought this place is better than USA.but it appear it is all false.You finns don't talk much we understand,but damn.can't you please don't look sulking all day long,
27.5.2020
Ali
Hi,
I've been living in this country since 5 years ago. I've succeeded super well at work: in less than four years, I rose from being unemployed to being among 1% highest income earners of Finland. But, I hate this country from deepest of my heart. I hate how racist Finns are against many "third world countries" nation. If one is lucky to be among those favourite nations (Spain?), then he may be lucky making friends, but rest, good luck...And yeah, I pay 45% tax to this fucking racist shithole... I'm planning to leave ASAP
PS: My work success is attributed only to my own ambition and hardwork. I wouldn't give any credit, in that regard, to Finnish system.
20.6.2020
Blabla
... This country is a shithole, foreign well educated people must go to school again like a kid, or do shitty works like cleaner, and some other shit, also i had a non well educated, stupid and racist teacher, this is not normal at all, you can not enjoy the life without getting wasted, narrow minded, living always with rage and envy
24.6.2020
Oscar
Most of the commenters just have shitty lives. I mean you live above a bar in a low-income area and you see drunk people, drug addicts and people with all sorts of life difficulties? Color me surprised.
Everyone calling Finns stupid/ low iq, it's a bit of an oxymoron since you're the one who is completely oblivious to your surroundings. Why are you in this country if you have no interest or understanding of the history, culture, geography, weather or customs in the first place?
"I'm 74 year old pensioner, with no money and I don't speak the language"
The fact that you are poor isn't Finlands fault. It's a combination of a lot of things including yourself. So you made bad choices, ended up broke, in a foreign country where you don't speak the language and you blame the people and the system you know absolutely nothing about.
That's a bit like me paradropping in the middle of Atacama desert, getting heatstroke and blaming the Chileans that there was no sunscreen at the LZ.
If you're in Finland because of work or study and you don't like it. That's fine. It wasn't up to you, you had to come here, you were essentially forced. Because you come from a country with lots of personal freedom unlike Finland.
But I get it. It was your job - your career. I mean your country of origin had so many employment and enrichment opportunities that you had to stick with the one that sent you to a country you hate.
Finland isn't perfect- far from it, but so is everywhere else. Finland is boring, Italy is corrupt, UK has terrible housing, China is overpopulated, in Cuba nothing works, India is dirty and overpopulated. The US is so great and free that you have the great freedom to get killed by a police officer or a Road rager with a carry permit. In Nigeria people with mental health issues are so well cared for that they practically die out of gratitude on the sidewalk, so that people may admire the dead bodies on their commute in the morning.
These are all reasons to dislike a place, but it isn't the people's fault or the country's fault that you don't like it.
I lived in China for 2 years and except for the food I didn't like any of it. The culture shock was too big. But I don't hate China or the Chinese for it. Same for the US. I have been there a couple of times as a tourists and a year as an exchange student in high school and absolutely loved it, however I wouldn't want to live there.
At least I have some understanding of other cultures and countries even though that was one of the things missing from Finnish people.
So all you homesick, fragile, uneducated, uninteresting and socially average Globetrotters. *Just bathe in your misery and self pity until you die and get buried into the soil you hate at municipal graveyard paid by the taxpayers you despise.
* Hey! Your all practically Finnish already. Well done integrating.
PS. The writer of this piece is well-known contrarian who can't really defend his arguments because they aren't factually made. He just riffs off his current vibe.
14.7.2020
turun
Gosh. I’m just reading it all and crying. Because I’m not alone. I thought it’s only me who is complaining about the country.
Finns are nice and friendly but it’s all a mask. People seem to be fake, they never talk anything deep.
Nepotism is everywhere. If you’re an outlander - you’ll never get a chance for a “local level” job.
Ah yes, if you happen not to have a finnish sounding surname - bad luck. Your CV won’t even be read.
This country is severe. From an independent confident young woman with a promising career I became a poor unemployed psycho.
Thanks god I'm leaving it soon.
19.7.2020
D
Sadly all these people are correct. All I can say is that it was all a lie. I would have left after one year, but I love my partner more than anything. It has been three years now. I can't see myself going on. Very soon I will leave this place for good. I am trying to find some worth in it with the time left. But I am grasping at straws. I had a good life and a good job and friends in my home country. Now I have nothing. Just my partner. I am sick of the racism and the miserable people and quite frankly, love is not enough anymore. I will leave. I despise this place.
22.8.2020
EK47
I came for studies. Mid 30-ties, 10 years of work experience in the UK and China, seven other countries ive worked in. I've a fighting attitude and cannot take bullshit.
Studies are ok. Flat I bought as well. However, problems started during the very first night: it appears I was lied to that the neighbors are fine: they're unemployed drunks. One from above lied he's employed on the very first meeting I came to shush him up at night. Soon after he started to be creepy, over-interested, at last stalked me. Three policemen, one male detective and one policewoman didn't believe me, so I recorded them and went to the press. No city lawyer wanted to start a case against stalking, despite me having recordings. So I threw shit to his flat, as he's full of shit. Aggression should be answered with aggression for the creeps to fuck off.
Every Finnish institution I've had a contact so far did a good show to make me feel I'm unwelcome. It started from doctors: 6 of them had no idea ear infection is fungal despite I told them it's this and I just got it from China. They gave me a bigger dose of necessary antibiotic only after I had called the patient ombudsman to complain that if they don't treat my ears I'll go to their office and broke their ears. Energy company, bank, phone sellers, FedEx, migri, Kela are all incompetent rudes who would be fired in the UK. And here we come to the point:
these people are so antisocial that it prevents them from performing their jobs (I ask for headphones and she freezes why squeezing cable in her fingers, unable to answer. I just want to slap them).
Thus, they rely on technology to free them from the duty of customer service. But this technology doesn't work, apps crush and, often, people lack skills to operate it (I've asked for €200, she gave me €2000, pathetic).
In conclusion, I'll be living even before graduation, moving my studies elsewhere. UK and China were much better in regard to what you actually can achieve in life.
11.9.2020
Aura
L you are ridiculous!! Lapland Lapland bla bla bla what Lapland has to offer? NOTHING!! Only nature and that is it, people in Lapland are narrowed mind, and there is no job in there if you are a well educated foreigner as i am, the only kind if job i can get is driving a taxi, cooking, or cleaning. The system forces you to go to the Ammattikoulu, and study, study study all the time... but at the end you get shitty jobs, or no job at all. I am tired to waste my life and time in this country.
22.9.2020
Jo
Oh my god!! I'm so glad I found this post and these comments because I have been losing my shit here and you can't talk about how miserable you are here with the locals! I'm a Finn that moved abroad when I was 11 and came back now after 20 years. I've been here a year and feel like my soul is being ripped apart! This place has no soul! No fucking art supplies anywhere! No one to shoot the shit with! Everyone is depressed! There is no personality in the cities or the people! Everyone looks and acts the same! Fucking corona has made me stuck here! Good thing my family is here though... But this below poverty line income I'm stuck with (though I have a bachelors in business) because there is no work is such a shock! My only comforts of cigarettes and wine are so damn expensive I practically survive off potatoes! Wtf? Why the false advertising? Are they really trying to convince people to move here??
28.9.2020
Finnishguy...
Finland is good for the average working finn but for other people not so much. Finnish people are pretty racist because of the middle east, russia and estonia but otherwise very good country to live and raise kids if you are average man/woman.
17.10.2020
I never move back.
I am fin who gladly get out of that shithole couple years ago, i always hated that place cause peoples the energy there is so extreme poisoneus. People there hope bad to each others. They mostly are just genetically personally damaged cold, evil, bitter, envy cold hearted, empty, narsistics and they feel good and they get plessures when they can put others down. Ive been bullied since school to almost all work places. I think it was cause i was too friendly, sensitive and good looking and looked easy target. Same shit every cities there.
Typical Fin cant stand if someone is showing happiness or have normal self love. They always looked me bad way and maded me feel my whole life that i should be sorry even to be alive. It taked time to grow out of that poison how they everywhere there poison them selves, but they choose victims those who they think are better or worser than them, they hated me cause i looked different, very beatiful and sensitive, that make these kind people perfect target. That country people are just genetically very evil and twisted. They dont have normal manners, example if you accidently say hello to some diatand work friend they dont mostly answer they just look you like 'wtf'
Culture shock after getting away from there was huge, it felt so weird when people started to treat me like human should treat themselves. Finnish people treat people like shit without any recpect. When i visited finland again i started to feel so sick but now im gone and feel again mentally much more better. Hopely you all who suffer and dont belong there get away from there too.
17.10.2020
Floridian
It's funny how much the Finns talk about the American politics,
but no country ever talks about the
politics of Finland......it's like Finland
don't matter.......well, neither do the
opinions of Finns.
28.10.2020
Sampo
Wow just wow. I guess all you people who don't wanna live here could move...elsewhere? Maybe you will find your paradise somewhere else? Go chase the American dream, just hope you don't get sick or anything. Try out Japan, the most xenophobic country in the world. The possibilities are endless.
Just stop wasting my oxygen here and GTFO.
8.11.2020
Pata ja kattila
If you (or your parents) came here for money/free stuff, that's all you get. Nothing else. Foreigners should take a long look at their own hidden motives and understand that you only get what you give. I bet every Finn know in their heart that you are not really here for them, but for other reasons. That's why they don't. Just do not. Wise people. Not to be involved with liars.
7.12.2020
i am tired of them
They do not appreciate the work that i do, everything has to be with the mediocre and closed vision they have, i have learned that initiative, new ideas, or new concepts do not work with them, i must be slow as a turtle, and do things mechanically i am really tired of this country
16.12.2020
Finn
All these people complaining about my country... I guess you can just get out of here and move somewhere else? :D we Finns are the kind of people who dont care about meaningöeds small talk or saying ”hi” to every people we see or shit like that. We just live our lives in peace, happi and satisfied _minding our own business_. Thats the key. Sure other cultures are very different and people might be more extroverted, but why on earth should I care. People here really dont ”hate” other people. It just may seem like it but my whole social peer are nice and openminded people. It’s all about how you behave here.
Also we dont have streets full of alcoholics and lowlife people. They are seen in ”bad” parts of a few cities only. You have ti know the right areas to live (easy with common sense).
20.12.2020
lucy
FINN 20/12/2020 YOU ARE A LIAR!!! first ..yes i saw many drunks out there in the streets, second mostly of you are racist and uneducated people, many of you do not even say " good morning" 60% or maybe more or alcoholism, racism against foreigners, i saw that in my last job, you think you finnish are the best and this country is the best of the best but let me tell you no, is not...you are slow, average people with no empathy at all
5.1.2021
Nakki Makkara
I totally agree with all the comments and I am native Fin, but I would like to include few things. Tax rate is horrible in Finland. My tax rate is like 40% and what it gives me? nothing. Well, most finns would say "you got free education and healthcare". Our school system didin't teach me to code, I learned it myself. I would also get free healthcare if I applied to any tech company in USA. And USA is probably my next step. I wanna leave this leftist shithole.
9.1.2021
mademyday
Soo funny to notice how this comment section is (mostly) full of Finnish (leftist) betamale crybabies :D And foreign people whining about Finns, telling the truth what kind of people Finns are, how they think and act, feel etc etc. Everyone is a drunk, drug addict, racist, has mental problems, suicidal thoughts etc etc.
You know it all! Good! Now just don't keep saying "Im leaving soon", leave NOW! :)
Everyone can see it through that 98% of these writers of these posts are sooo fed up with of their own lives. No matter where u live. You will feel miserable. You will always find something that offends you. Too shame most of you are afraid to mention your native country, except Swedes and few others. I doubt there's things much better than here :)
15.1.2021
Victor
Finland maybe a victim of the EU political establishment, thence information about education, happiness, etc. - in the form of advertising continues to appear on mass/social media alike.
People hear and read about those wonderful things in Finland, which may even surprise Finns themselves, and want to make their lives better by moving to Finland!
How does one move here?
1. Work migration as a qualified specialist, farm worker, student, etc.
2. or just brought as a refugee/asylum seeker or come by oneself as one.
3. Some government programs.
As a matter of fact this country has been cutting budget as a part of EU austerity measures for quite some time, as a result there are even less of low quality language courses available!
Less of everything available now in 2021! Health care really sucks in Finland - get a health insurance!
Also, it’s worth mentioning that perhaps Finland’s government ambitions and companies’ needs/objectives always diverged and now they diverge even more. That’s why so many graduates (mostly Finns) have no jobs and move abroad/tried to immigrate during the recent decade, or do low skilled jobs.
So, native Finns strangle and obviously foreigners strangle a lot more! All of that because economy strangles!
Are there bad Finns? Yes! Are there good ones? Yes! Just as everywhere else!
The social security system helps a lot when you’re out of work!
Climate sucks! But due to the global warming the weather changed everywhere.
Finland is over 90% rural, app. 5,5 million people - therefore it is not and can not be like London or Munich or New York and it’s not possible to have a big service/banking industry in such a small, cold heavy taxed place! It is what it is!
Socialism is perhaps necessary here - I wish it were less bureaucratic and less totalitarian.
All Finns are equal! But some are more equal!
Equality/ high standards of living, best schools, etc are complete and utter nonsense anyway!
Standards of living are good but not high! Services are slow!
All I can say is that Finland is not the worst country! But it is not the best either!
Moreover, Finns are also discriminated in Europe! A finish women told me that she never identified herself as a Finn to avoid troubles - she used her Swedish passport to work in Holland.
Have a good weekend everybody and good luck!
16.1.2021
Grillimaisteri
I'll have to emphasize that most of the comments have to be either parody or pure ignorance.
For the foreigners who moved here and now want to leave: OK, too bad that this place wasn't the happy, progressive wonderland you were told it would be. What did you expect? A place where people come to you with open arms ready to hug you? No.
Just admit it: you came here for the free stuff. You believed that this would be the perfect stepping stone to build your career: you wouldn't have to worry about anything because everything from healthcare to income gets paid by someone else. You could focus only on yourself and not have to worry about anything.
But then the reality kicked in.
The weather is bad, as it happens to be here, near the arctic circle. Nothing is actually free, since you have to pay taxes.
The last thing I'll have to state is the fact that most of the commentators have so inadequate language skills that it's not a wonder that 1) employment, 2) socializing, and 3) studying form enormous difficulties.
28.1.2021
Don
Grillimaisteri.
I crossed the Finnish border with no expectations.
The presumptions about me as a foriegner on the other hand were non stop and incorrect on a daily basis for 16 years.
Luckily the Helsinki youth abandoned the insecure ways of the culture and chose a more honest aproach to individuals without the rampant denial and insecurity that was spoiling the place. Viva Uuzi Finsinki. :)
1.2.2021
Sauvage
I agree with all this. Been living in Finland for 22 years now, basically my whole life. The weather is so bad it's making me depressed, it's literally dark all the damn time, except maybe for spring and summer but yeah.. even then it can be cloudy and rainy. Autumn and winters are long here and very dark.
People are ok, Finnish people are respected for being pretty laid back and they can keep their privacy. But getting into social circles has never been this hard to me. I can get friends anywhere else except Finland. Last time i had a Finnish friend call me out to play was when i was maybe 11-12 years old. Now as a 24- years old, people are mostly good to me when they are drunk. I've met many people in my workplace, bars, clubs etc.. nobody of them wants to hang out with me during free time unless they are going out for a drink. People in Helsinki are way more social and pretty open minded. But rest of the Finland ( even Vantaa ) tend to be more closed minded towards strangers.
Anyways.. education is free and i am doing everything i can to get myself a better future. Maybe i will move to Australia or New Zealand sooner or later, i can't stand living in Finland anymore. Cold, dark and loneliness are really bad for human beings.
11.3.2021
Tom
No Western people immigrate to
shitty finland, it says a lot!
Do not make a mistake in coming here,
if you do, you'll be sorry later.
These people are masters at playing from both sides of fence.
Extreamly envious and untrustworthy!
Look at history of finland and you'll start to understand.
I jwish I could just go away
and never come back, but I can't.
Btw, why don't finland have any true
friends and allies?
What's up with that?
31.5.2021
Simon Simon
Lousy country Finland is!
Real Two-Faced people for real.
Highly untrustworthy people.
Just like the gov playing from both sides.
Such envy and maliciousness.
I made a big mistake in coming here,
I now live in Fin against my will!
Just a disgusting combination of all things to consider.
6.6.2021
John
Full agreement. You missed one: racism. People in this country are very racist, and it's getting worse. If it didn't mean ending up in a much much worse personal situation, I'd have left this country a year ago. Total depressing shithole.
13.8.2021
notfinn
Oh, you hear all the time that Russians are racist but you never hear it about the Finns. Well, over 150 different nationalities call Russia home and they are all treated with respect. While in Finland - the Finns hate everyone who is not Finnish. Evil people
5.11.2021
depressing shithole
The government spends a lot of money on marketing, so it always sounds like utopia whenever anything about Finland is mentioned in the media. The ground reality is totally different.
Country of zombies and drones. Very hive minded, different opinions are like threats to them. Small-minded people. Also, food is terrible.
Bottomline : Do not fall for marketing, it's all lie. If you still wanna come, welcome and see it for yourself.
1.12.2021
Lets go brandon
And i thought Finnish people were racist
30.1.2022
Saara
I am very shocked at the amount of what seems like hate and racsism against the Finnish people and culture with a leaning toward a pro-American trash culture which has done a fine job of segregation in society as well as screwing up the planet as it spews its consume buy die ethic all over the world. I have lived in many countries, including USA which we all know isn't united at all but more a dog eat dog world where the biggest ego wins. What I don't understand is how vomiting your hate for Finns is a good use of your intellegence... I'm reading a lot of hate and racism against Finns for being Finn and living their life in their culture. The orher thing... There is a lot more addiction and homelessbess in America, land of opportunity and big dreams. As a journalist, I interviewed many suffering the onslaught of The American Dream. What I do not understand is why, if you want 'The Good Life' whatever that is to you, why did you make your way to Finland? Why bot go to America land of dreams and big money? As far as I know, the people of all kinds that I have met here in Finland are most likely protecting themselves from the people who's wants and desires exceed their own. I mean, what is it that foreigners want Finns and Finland to be? By the way, lets not forget we are all individual beings not just 'Finns' in Finland, we're all people with different backgrounds and different struggles. Like with any country, for eg: Africa or Iraq, a 'foreigner' is expected to resoect the traditions of the culture and varioys people for eg: maybe a woman will have to wear a hijab or refrain from talking with a husband or wife. As with many cultures, Finland has its ways and I believe its important to protect all cultures of the world. I don't imagine a Finn going to Africa or the middle east expecting tge people to change culture for them. And also, what is happiness? It's a perception, different for each of us, is it a smile on your face? I mean sure, a smile is nice, but psychopaths are masters of the smile as deception. So for all you Finn haters, please go where you are most happy and leave these people to their dull and boring lives. You seem to know so much about each and every person that lives here probably without ever meeting them and it's obvious you couldn't drop your ego to try to learn the culture you live among. Also, I agree, there is a massive problem here with racism and hate of all kinds against the Finnish people and their culture and this needs to be fixed. I am Australian born with a Finnish father and I find some of the hate comments against Finnish people appaulling. You really need to spend your energy and brain power on more productive things, like moving to a country more in tune with your culture.
10.2.2022
Tony
I'm so tired of this Fin after many years here that I have become kind of numb
and allergic to this whole place!!
It would save my life to be able to leave but it looks like a real remote possibility and most likely not gonna happen!
I wish I could return back home
to U.S.
If that was to happen, I would never
even complain about real hot weather
like I had it in NV, AZ etc.
I would not complain after having suffered greatly here in Fin
24.6.2022
HappyMaterialist
I think I’m materially happy living in Finland. I never had problem with money, cause benefits always flow. I had free education that thank god I didn’t have to take so much loan. I think theory educated in Applied science universities is high quality, it would actually be worth of money. But I think by over educating people society is doing disservice to its youth, cause there’s no jobs in certain fields like design and establishing your own practice or company is very hard. And consumers favour big chain stores over boutiques so keeping shops ain’t profitable. Also people are not willing to pay for higher quality products that are made here. Importing goods from outside of Finland comes also expensive cause there’s not that much to export, and that’s one reason for higher prices.
Culture is very homogenous. It’s fusion of Nordic and Eastern Europe that’s result is quite neutral. I think Finnish identity as blank canvas - cause there’s no strong original culture you can customise it to look like your own. That’s also why people here are so good at English cause there’s not so much content in Finnish and people are very into foreign cultures too - even though from surface this looks like self satisfied monoculture.
You also have to recognise that this is a small country, so mentality can be like in a small village. That’s why you can stand out easily without effort, unfortunately.
As a Finn I have lots of antipathy towards Finland, yes. But when I count my blessings I think I’m quite fortunate to live here. My tragedy is that I live in limbo and stuck in my situation as unemployed professional in creative field, and to develop and grow professionally you have to move out of the country. They also say that the future is in youth - but the youth doesn’t have future. They live in high rent apartments (especially in Helsinki) and can’t afford spend their poor salary on anything extra like travelling like their peers in Europe.
I only wish that this country would have bigger population and not geographically isolated, but at least this isn’t as small as Estonia or Iceland and not so isolated as Australia or Mongolia.
27.7.2022
Aura
they are quite miserable people if we talk about money, i have worked in a second hand shop and i have seen Finns steal things that cost 2, 3 ......2,3 euros please!!!!........they are envious, false and miserable, if you sell something in tori.fi they always want to pay less even if it has a good decent reasonable price, or i have received ironic messages from all this buch of envious Finns, for not lowering the price, and i have answered them badly, blocked them and sent them to hell, they want a new thing, unused, almost for free, they have this miserable mentality in many aspects, even emotionally , but Ohhh to buy alcohol, and gambling, there you see them spending a lot of money even when they are unemployed.
16.8.2022
Tim
Mademyday what is wrong with you? Y you can not assimilate the truth and that your country and your people are backward, racist people.
You are no one to tell people where to live or not get in your own fucking business
28.8.2022
Toni
I have lived in Finland my whole life, 35 years, i as adault, i have learn one thing: Living in Finland, is expensive, if you do not have job (when you are adault but not elder yet), because those people who are unemployed one way or other, do not get much money from social system of Finland, and it is not always easy to find job.
That is only downside living in here, and it has bad effects to many people, here in Finland. So sometimes i dream, that i can someday move in some other country, or this Finnish social system chages to better.
7.9.2022
Max
I'm sick of the Finns and their stupid rules of subnormal people, I'm sick of workers coming into your house or being able to come into your house to repair something while you're not there, in normal European countries this idiocy doesn't happen, they talk a lot about it here the supposed honesty that is a big lie, I have worked in a store and I have seen Finns steal. try to rip alarms off clothes, and even steal buttons from clothes, or cut clothes, so don't talk to me about stupid honesty, no worker is going to enter my house to repair anything if I'm not there, that's a crime , it is trespassing, I do not know if the worker is going to steal something or check my house to see what I have, because i do not know him, another thing that bothers me is that these workers knock on the door and do not wait even 5 seconds, they think they have the right to open the door even when the tenant is inside, NO!! they have to wait a reasonable time for the owner or the tenant to open the door and if not, then yes, they can enter, I have chosen to close the door from the inside and they have to wait for me to open it, already twice unpleasant situations that had happened to me because of these people who do not wait or respect, and I never leave the house without locking it, this country some finns are already breaking into houses and apartments to rob, but of course they blame foreigners when many of those who steal they are finns
15.9.2022
Mick
Racist, envious, narrow minded, two faced people, they think and beleive they are superior, lazy at work, they are also racist with sami people.
18.9.2022
Telling the truth
All these Finns think that if a foreigner is here it is just because of papers, or Kela money, well it can be, but that is not my case i speak several languages, i have gone to university,
i come from a family with a very good economic position and with money i do not need your stupid kela of 600 miserable euros, i have learned that you don't have to be nice to them, you don't have to trust them, they're fake, racist, and envious. they do not accept third opinions or other points of view, they think they are better than others and superiors and no, they are not. they have a lot of mental problems they don't know how to act like normal people, not even good morning, thank you or please, if you are a foreigner even if you have a good education like me forget about getting a job, they won't give you one because they are racist and then they complain that the "mammu" this is the way they use to call foreigners come to steal their money, a "mammu" does not want the miserable 600 euros from the kela, what the hell can you do with that? wants to work and have a good salary and a good boss, the foreigners are fed up with the dictatorship and of the manipulation of the TE toimisto and the KELA a foreigner with good preparation does not have to be cleaning, or taxi driver or do shitty jobs, by the way you Finns are dirty, many of you go to work smelling bad, do me a favor go and take a shower before you leave home, my advice for other non finn people, there are better places to live, do not waste your time here, they are envious, narrow minded, lazy and frustrated people.
23.9.2022
Liz
Some workers came to fix some problems in the building recently, these people are very rude and wild, they arrive without warning and they don't tell you please, we need you to remove this, no, they don't say anything, they don't give a shit about hitting objects that you have the lamps that you have, they are wild and rude, because it is not theirs and they have not paid for it, and the downstairs door, every day that they are here they are always banging on it, and it is annoying to hear BUM BUM BUM all the time, they do not know how to close a door like normal people, or behave with manners.
26.9.2022
Dream Big
This country is full of commies and socialists. And, oh boy do they get jealous
27.9.2022
Elisabet
I have a question for all the people complaining, Who told you that we want you here?
30.9.2022
Involuntary "Mammu"
Elizabet
Your government SHOUTS they need to attract and retain international talent.
So, YOU TOLD US
to come and study...
to work ...
to integrate with Finnish society,
Only , it was a LIE, and this makes youI LARS ...
Which prospects for foreigners who studied engineering...cleaning toilets ?
Which future for said "international talent", years at a row in KELA after being laid off ?
Ffs, stop all this utter BULLSHIT !!
If you don't want people from different backgrounds, SAY SO, IN YOUR INSTITUTIONAL COMMUNICATION.
It would save everybody's time and patience !!!
4.10.2022
Max
I had to do work doing some kind of " working practice" with a Finnish woman who was unbearable and wanted to tell me what i had to do with my life, she pretended to give me orders about what i had to do with my life and i refused, the " working practice" lasted 3 months and the last two months i went without any desire, with anxiety and stress because of this woman, who had me fed up and harassed me every few days, another stupid thing about this country and its stupid system of idiots, it is the job searching system, the system is obsolete , stupid, outdated, in other more advanced European countries you open an account on the employment page, create your CV, that CV is stored in a database and when you apply for a job offer from the same page you can send it with just a click, here no here you have to send an email to the employer, absurd and obsolete method, and then after a few days ...if they do not call you the job seeker starts calling the employer.....what the hell is that, if they don't call you it's because they are not interested, but in other Europeans countries we DO NOT HARRASS employers with calls, this system in Finland is ridiculous, stupid and absurd
12.10.2022
Matt
that is true, in other European countries the person who is seeking employment does not call or harass the employer. If you call, or send an email to the employer, they will get upset and they will think that this person is out of his mind, that is harassment, they will be able to contact you, if your CV interests them. And for Elizabeth, it's not your problem what people do with their lives, so shut up.
All the Finnish integration system is a BIG FAIL AND A BIG LIE
12.10.2022
The big lie
I had a racist Finnish teacher, who looked at my classmates badly, on two occasions I had to record videos in class, because the situation got out of control, and it was because of the teacher, the same one who said that we should hang up our coats outside in the corridor because we could have a bomb, or in another situation she said, I don't care what degrees you have from your countries, i would put all of you to do work cleaning
12.10.2022
Matt
The worst country in the EU no jobs, discrimination, bullying towards foreigners, rude and uneducated Finns, what else i can do here " only working practice" because the employee do not need to pay, or years in Kela? NO THANKS sooner or later i am moving out of this LIE called Finland average mentality and country for average low profile people
14.10.2022
Leaving Soon
I’m lucky enough to have the opportunity to escape this wasteland. Finland does have some positive aspects but the negatives far outweigh the positives. I can sympathize with others’ frustration but action is important. Do everything in your power to get out. Peace.
16.10.2022
Oikeaoppinen
Laughing at you fools. Trusting what the government and media says about anything. No normal Finn wants more of you lazy foreign bums here. Go to Sweden, Germany or UK or any other downwards spiraling country and enjoy that multicultural mess. Leave us alone if you dont want to integrate to our culture and learn the language. Expecting us to bend over for you and treat you special when you dont even try to learn the language.
22.10.2022
Tony
This country is very, very TIRESOME!!
You'll get older here faster than before you ended up here!
They talk so much shit here that
it's unreal.
Big imitators too,
copy-cat nation!
I live here against my will!
STAY AWAY FROM HERE!!
1.11.2022
Donnie
What a wasteland Finland after all is!
Just mentally empty land,
no spirit, no atmosphere.
Real big on imitating,
copy-cat type people.
STAY AWAY FROM HERE!!
2.11.2022
Mary
The only fool who is talking stupidities is you oikeaoppinen do not be ridículous
2.11.2022
Viktor Schacher
Well, Finns rushed to desperately join NATO for a potential protection from Russia. Was it the FEAR? It seems we're entering a new era of uncertainty.
As for Finns, well the earlier writers expressed their frustrations and some Finns proved the point. Finnish society is described in the comments well enough to understand. As for as the future is concerned, it is going to get worse.
There are also good people here. Unfortunately the majority is quite bad.
Google
13.11.2022
.
Hmm.. yes it is pretty shitty in helsinki and some cities but there are a lot nicr people in other parts of finland, i know it.
13.1.2023
Engineer
Take the extremely critical comments here with a grain of salt. Some of them may be trolls judging by the poor grammar and argumentation.
Finland is an OK place. It's perhaps not the best for the extremely ambitious. Or for someone who is rather outgoing and adventurous. Alcohol abuse is an issue, but not much more so than in your average Western country.
21.2.2023
Qro
Artikkelissa mainitut Suomen puutteet ovat asioita, jotka vaativat välitöntä parannusta. Tilannetta, jossa palvelua kieltäytyvät, ei voida hyväksyä normaalissa maassa. Yleensä se tosiasia, että Suomella on kulutus, ja lampaiden kaltaiset miehet ovat yhtä mieltä siitä, että valtio päättää heidän elämästään, omatunnastaan ja tukahduttaa heidän vapautensa, pitäisi antaa ruokaa ajatukselle. En ole evä ja ehkä se on vielä parempi, koska tämän ansiosta voin katsoa sitä "rationaalisemmasta" näkökulmasta. Olen yllättynyt siitä, että Suomi on pohjimmiltaan EU: ssa, eikä mikään maa ole vielä estänyt pääsyn eurooppalaiseen palveluihin. Jos Amnesty International ei voi tehdä asialle mitään, niin jotain on oltava valmis. Joten miten tämä maa eroaa Venäjältä ja muista autoritaarisista valtioista?
Trans -ihmisten tilanteen suhteen tilanne on onneksi muuttuva, ja nyt voit muuttaa seksiä itse määrittelemällä. Valitettavasti pääasiassa 18 -vuotiaana, joten olet kaveri, jonka todennäköisesti pakotat menemään armeijaan (sic!).
En myöskään ymmärrä näitä kielteisiä kommentteja. Suomi on todella hyvä maa. Lähellä ihanteellista minulle, ainakin mentaliteetin suhteen. Kyllä, se voi olla ehdottomasti parempi, mutta se ei ole huono.
Joku täällä mainitsi amerikkalaisen kulttuurin kritiikin. Miksi meidän pitäisi tarkastella amerikkalaista kulttuuria tällä tavalla? On parempi piirtää paras jokaisesta maasta ja muuntaa se suomalaiseksi maaksi. Esimerkiksi Amerikan tapauksessa kuluttajakulttuuri ja talouspolitiikka voitaisiin lainata heiltä. Tässä suhteessa Suomella ei ole mitään tarjottavaa.
Ei vain Amerikasta, koska on maita, jotka saattavat yhtä hyvin toimia mallina.
4.3.2023
Tomas
Basicly Finns are West Russians. So nationalistic, so fake.
22.3.2023
Luc
Finland joining a group of countries in conflict with their neighbour, doesn't seem like a very smart move at all.
14.4.2023